Things that didn't quite make sense in Harry Potter?
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(08-20-2024, 04:50 PM)Kyng Wrote: Well, I don't think he ever fully 'redeemed himself'. Sure, he and Harry were no longer sworn enemies; however, they were still a long way from being friends. (In fact, I'm not sure that he had any friends outside Slytherin!)

Furthermore, while he was always a bully at school, I get the impression that he was never a 'true believer' in Lord Voldemort's cause: he only became a Death-Eater out of fear and/or because his father wanted him to. So, I don't believe there was much of a 'change of heart' in the first place :P .

It's worth noting the majority of Draco's evolution as a character came in Cursed Child and other writings Rowling did post-Deathly Hallows. Those go deeper into what the "current day" Draco is like and how drastically different he is from his past self in the books. As for in the books themselves it's worth noting there's some key factors to consider.

1. Draco is assigned to kill Dumbledore. It's implied many of the Death Eaters suspect Voldemort was expecting Draco to fail at this and it was purely a punishment for Lucius. Personally I suspect Draco probably thought this too even if he was making plans to try.

2. When Draco has to finally try he find he couldn't do it. It was one thing to be a snob and a bully and believe in a lot of the wizarding purity Voldemort spouted. It was another to actually try to make yourself kill someone for this. What Draco basically discovered about himself is that he might've been a spoiled brat, a mean bully, and many other things but he just wasn't evil enough to go the lengths Voldemort wanted.

From here the other material notes post-Voldemort Draco ends up doing a lot of soul searching and re-examing his beliefs and what he thought was true about the world. He married a woman doing the same thing. When he had a son he raised him to be nothing like he was as a child. He even comes to begrudgingly respect Harry and the others a bit. In fact Cursed Child and the events in it actually have Harry and Draco be able to bury the past entirely and see each other as friends finally over the course of the play.
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What’s to stop teachers from just docking points whenever and why are there instances where points are deducted by anything except multiples of five in Philosopher’s Stone but every other entry only has points counted by fives? Also, there should be a maximum of points deducted or given.
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(10-20-2024, 02:56 AM)slooroo Wrote:
(08-20-2024, 04:50 PM)Kyng Wrote: Well, I don't think he ever fully 'redeemed himself'. Sure, he and Harry were no longer sworn enemies; however, they were still a long way from being friends. (In fact, I'm not sure that he had any friends outside Slytherin!)

Furthermore, while he was always a bully at school, I get the impression that he was never a 'true believer' in Lord Voldemort's cause: he only became a Death-Eater out of fear and/or because his father wanted him to. So, I don't believe there was much of a 'change of heart' in the first place :P .

It's worth noting the majority of Draco's evolution as a character came in Cursed Child and other writings Rowling did post-Deathly Hallows. Those go deeper into what the "current day" Draco is like and how drastically different he is from his past self in the books. As for in the books themselves it's worth noting there's some key factors to consider.

1. Draco is assigned to kill Dumbledore. It's implied many of the Death Eaters suspect Voldemort was expecting Draco to fail at this and it was purely a punishment for Lucius. Personally I suspect Draco probably thought this too even if he was making plans to try.

2. When Draco has to finally try he find he couldn't do it. It was one thing to be a snob and a bully and believe in a lot of the wizarding purity Voldemort spouted. It was another to actually try to make yourself kill someone for this. What Draco basically discovered about himself is that he might've been a spoiled brat, a mean bully, and many other things but he just wasn't evil enough to go the lengths Voldemort wanted.

From here the other material notes post-Voldemort Draco ends up doing a lot of soul searching and re-examing his beliefs and what he thought was true about the world. He married a woman doing the same thing. When he had a son he raised him to be nothing like he was as a child. He even comes to begrudgingly respect Harry and the others a bit. In fact Cursed Child and the events in it actually have Harry and Draco be able to bury the past entirely and see each other as friends finally over the course of the play.

Good points :) . Not sure it makes up for Cursed Child's complete character-assassination of Cedric Diggory (and, well, Delphi's existence), but I guess at least that book did some good things!

(01-03-2025, 02:52 AM)JHG Wrote: What’s to stop teachers from just docking points whenever and why are there instances where points are deducted by anything except multiples of five in Philosopher’s Stone but every other entry only has points counted by fives? Also, there should be a maximum of points deducted or given.
5,000,000 points to Hufflepuff!

Yeah, the whole "house points" thing never made much sense to me.

Also, the maths just doesn't add up. If there are 1,000 students at Hogwarts (which Rowling herself has stated), then there should be around 250 in each house. And, if the winning house has between 400 and 500 points at the end of the year... then, that means each student scored less than 2 points on average, in the entire year.

So, whenever Harry gets "five points for Gryffindor", that's more than twice as many as he should be getting in the entire school year :lol: !
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(01-03-2025, 11:00 PM)Kyng Wrote:
(10-20-2024, 02:56 AM)slooroo Wrote:
(08-20-2024, 04:50 PM)Kyng Wrote: Well, I don't think he ever fully 'redeemed himself'. Sure, he and Harry were no longer sworn enemies; however, they were still a long way from being friends. (In fact, I'm not sure that he had any friends outside Slytherin!)

Furthermore, while he was always a bully at school, I get the impression that he was never a 'true believer' in Lord Voldemort's cause: he only became a Death-Eater out of fear and/or because his father wanted him to. So, I don't believe there was much of a 'change of heart' in the first place :P .

It's worth noting the majority of Draco's evolution as a character came in Cursed Child and other writings Rowling did post-Deathly Hallows. Those go deeper into what the "current day" Draco is like and how drastically different he is from his past self in the books. As for in the books themselves it's worth noting there's some key factors to consider.

1. Draco is assigned to kill Dumbledore. It's implied many of the Death Eaters suspect Voldemort was expecting Draco to fail at this and it was purely a punishment for Lucius. Personally I suspect Draco probably thought this too even if he was making plans to try.

2. When Draco has to finally try he find he couldn't do it. It was one thing to be a snob and a bully and believe in a lot of the wizarding purity Voldemort spouted. It was another to actually try to make yourself kill someone for this. What Draco basically discovered about himself is that he might've been a spoiled brat, a mean bully, and many other things but he just wasn't evil enough to go the lengths Voldemort wanted.

From here the other material notes post-Voldemort Draco ends up doing a lot of soul searching and re-examing his beliefs and what he thought was true about the world. He married a woman doing the same thing. When he had a son he raised him to be nothing like he was as a child. He even comes to begrudgingly respect Harry and the others a bit. In fact Cursed Child and the events in it actually have Harry and Draco be able to bury the past entirely and see each other as friends finally over the course of the play.

Good points :) . Not sure it makes up for Cursed Child's complete character-assassination of Cedric Diggory (and, well, Delphi's existence), but I guess at least that book did some good things!
(01-03-2025, 02:52 AM)JHG Wrote: What’s to stop teachers from just docking points whenever and why are there instances where points are deducted by anything except multiples of five in Philosopher’s Stone but every other entry only has points counted by fives? Also, there should be a maximum of points deducted or given.
5,000,000 points to Hufflepuff!

Yeah, the whole "house points" thing never made much sense to me.

Also, the maths just doesn't add up. If there are 1,000 students at Hogwarts (which Rowling herself has stated), then there should be around 250 in each house. And, if the winning house has between 400 and 500 points at the end of the year... then, that means each student scored less than 2 points on average, in the entire year.

So, whenever Harry gets "five points for Gryffindor", that's more than twice as many as he should be getting in the entire school year :lol: !

Even the 1,000 student body is likely too large especially when taking into account Rowling's even more boneheaded estimate of about 3,000 total in Wizarding Britain. For reference, the British Armed Forces have about 150,000 active duty soldiers and that's just active duty and just the military alone.
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(This post was last modified: 01-03-2025, 11:37 PM by Opal Fruit.)
Yeah, number estimations are not her strong point.

Not that mine would be exactly great, either... But I'd like to think I would give it some more thought. 🤔
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I’m not sure if this has already been covered or not as there’s a lot of pages to read but Peter Pettigrew. I understand that he was in hiding as the rat but I find it creepy as hell that he was around the kids like that and sleeping in bed with Ron. I know it’s meant to be a plot twist but sometimes I think about that and want to laugh. It doesn’t make sense for me as Peter would’ve had to put up with a lot of uncomfortable stuff for an adult around children.
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(01-27-2025, 12:38 AM)Shiny Star Wrote: I’m not sure if this has already been covered or not as there’s a lot of pages to read but Peter Pettigrew. I understand that he was in hiding as the rat but I find it creepy as hell that he was around the kids like that and sleeping in bed with Ron. I know it’s meant to be a plot twist but sometimes I think about that and want to laugh. It doesn’t make sense for me as Peter would’ve had to put up with a lot of uncomfortable stuff for an adult around children.

Ron...already reacted with shock upon hearing of this. Besides, an early hint is "Scabbers" curling up on sunlight like what a human would do.
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(01-31-2025, 02:02 AM)JHG Wrote:
(01-27-2025, 12:38 AM)Shiny Star Wrote: I’m not sure if this has already been covered or not as there’s a lot of pages to read but Peter Pettigrew. I understand that he was in hiding as the rat but I find it creepy as hell that he was around the kids like that and sleeping in bed with Ron. I know it’s meant to be a plot twist but sometimes I think about that and want to laugh. It doesn’t make sense for me as Peter would’ve had to put up with a lot of uncomfortable stuff for an adult around children.

Ron...already reacted with shock upon hearing of this. Besides, an early hint is "Scabbers" curling up on sunlight like what a human would do.

Even with the foreshadowing, I still found it pretty creepy when you think about it on a deeper level.
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(01-03-2025, 11:00 PM)Kyng Wrote: Good points :) . Not sure it makes up for Cursed Child's complete character-assassination of Cedric Diggory (and, well, Delphi's existence), but I guess at least that book did some good things!

I hate Cursed Child more than like but I think it did this one thing right. I think Harry and Draco being able to work past the past and see each other in a new light is a refreshing change from what happened between James (or really any of his friends except Lupin who made an attempt) and Snape for example.
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