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The List 17 things thread got a good selection of fascinating commanders to choose from here: https://tch-forum.com/showthread.php?tid...#pid303821 
So I’m making a grand tourney of all those commanders-except for a select few. Henry Crerar and Georgy Zhukov are excluded due to this tourney being restricted to black powder at the most advanced technology level to allow for balance otherwise those two would just curbstomp whoever they fought. Conversely Sun Tzu is excluded for different reasons: He just doesn’t have verifiable battlefield experience. 
Rules:
-The commanders are at their peak of experience and physicality.
-Each commander leads a force of 100,000 troops of whatever they historically commanded with unit composition accounting for historical accuracy.
-The Standard Battle Arena is used for all of the battles.
-Tourney is double elimination.
-The commanders use whatever tactics they are most comfortable with.

Now, let the battles begin!

Alaric vs Attila the Hun
Duke of Wellington vs Crazy Horse
Genghis Khan vs Hannibal
Hongi Hika vs Horatio Nelson 
Metacomet vs Oda Nobunaga
Shivaji vs Shaka Zulu
Sunni Ali vs Thayendanegea(Joseph Brant)
My guesses are: Attila, the Duke of Wellington, Genghis Khan, Nelson, Oda Nobunaga, Shaka Zulu, and Thayendanegea. Although, I know very little about some of these, so let me know if there are any I've got badly wrong here :lol: !
Well, I'm hoping for at more than just two participants. 
Either way, I don't have the same opinion.
Attila the Hun seems evenly matched against Alaric; I'll just back Attila since I think he's got more cavalry.
The Duke of Wellington takes this; Crazy Horse has more advanced firearms but other than that, he's still reliant on Stone Age tech. Sure he's got more cavalry but that's nothing too unfamiliar for Wellesley to handle. Furthermore, Little Bighorn was accomplished by an alliance of several Sioux realms and I think Arapaho as well along with Custer being severely outnumbered and outgunned. Without those advantages, I doubt Crazy Horse will do as well.
Deadliest Warrior got this one right-although Genghis Khan would probably have to be more careful about the elephant attacks.
Horatio Nelson is a more accomplished commander but I don't know how well he'd fare off the ship. Still, Hongi Hika had access to inferior trade muskets and mostly used Stone Age tech so I think Nelson still might win.
Nobunaga crushes Metacomet; Better leadership, more experience, and his firearms aren't too far behind or different from those Metacomet used. Plus, the Wampanoag were only part time warriors while Nobunaga had trained, disciplined and loyal Samurai and Ashigaru.
Chhatrapati Shivaji takes this; He's got firearms, explosives, and better armor. 
Sunni Ali wins; He's got Medieval tech combined with tenacity and sheer ruthlessness. Thayendanegea's access to firearms aren't going to help that much.
The Shivaji vs Shaka Zulu and Sunni Ali vs Thayendanegea battles are currently in need of tiebreakers.
Now, I’m not sure whether to move on to the next rounds or wait for more votes.
(04-06-2023, 06:08 PM)JHG Wrote: [ -> ]Now, I’m not sure whether to move on to the next rounds or wait for more votes.

I would suggest moving on to the next round. It's been nearly two months now!
(04-11-2023, 10:30 PM)Kyng Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2023, 06:08 PM)JHG Wrote: [ -> ]Now, I’m not sure whether to move on to the next rounds or wait for more votes.

I would suggest moving on to the next round. It's been nearly two months now!
I would too but Shivaji vs Shaka Zulu and Sunni Ali vs Thayendanegea both ended in ties.
(04-12-2023, 12:16 AM)JHG Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-11-2023, 10:30 PM)Kyng Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2023, 06:08 PM)JHG Wrote: [ -> ]Now, I’m not sure whether to move on to the next rounds or wait for more votes.

I would suggest moving on to the next round. It's been nearly two months now!
I would too but Shivaji vs Shaka Zulu and Sunni Ali vs Thayendanegea both ended in ties.

Well, I guess you can always flip a coin or something :lol: !
In that case, the more detailed explanation has priority.
Next round:
Attila the Hun vs Duke of Wellington 
Genghis Khan vs Horatio Nelson
Oda Nobunaga vs Shivaji
Sunni Ali vs Alaric
Loser's bracket:
Crazy Horse vs Hannibal
Hongi Hika vs Metacomet
Shaka Zulu vs Thayendanegea
Left hanging again!
Ok, the analysis goes:
Genghis Khan might actually have a chance considering Horatio Nelson isn't as used to land based army battles but the technology might be hard to beat.
Deadliest Fiction has their take of Oda Nobunaga vs Chhatrapati Shivaji but I disagree with their take; Sure Shivaji has better metallurgy and mostly better weapons but guerilla warfare is dependent on stealth while Nobunaga used conventional warfare. Because of that, my pick is Japan's first Great Unifier.
Crazy Horse might actually beat Hannibal since while he doesn't have armor nor weapons capable of armor piercing, he does have guns. It's true that Hannibal's elephants can scare the pants off the Sioux horses but they might not compensate well against an enemy with guns.
Hongi Hika might be able to take this; Both him and Metacomet have flintlock firearms although the Maori firearms at Hongi's time were trade muskets and not as reliable. Still, he's got more field experience and may be able to frighten the Wampanoag forces(or TRY to) with a Haka. Plus, Maori are just plain big and strong.
I dunno about Shaka Zulu vs Thayendanegea; The Iroquois would have had firearms at the time Thayendanegea ruled but Shaka trained the Zulu for rushdown tactics to swarm musketeers before they could reload. Neither have armor and both commanders have troops of seemingly even quality and are both competent so it would come down to equipment. Maybe the Zulu win with iron over wood and stone?
The rest should be self-explanatory.
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